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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:42:00 -
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none of what you described stops griefing as defined by CCP and griefing is already against the EULA |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:44:00 -
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Heather Tsukaya wrote:baltec1 wrote:Griefing is already banned in EVE. Well surely you agree with your leader on #3 at least.
I don't i feel you need to be held responsible for who you let into your corp and awoxing is the part of the game many people enjoy and on a variety of different levels just because its a part of the game you don't like doesn't mean it needs to be removed. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:52:00 -
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Heather Tsukaya wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Heather Tsukaya wrote:baltec1 wrote:Griefing is already banned in EVE. Well surely you agree with your leader on #3 at least. I don't i feel you need to be held responsible for who you let into your corp. Awoxing is the part of the game many people enjoy and on a variety of different levels. just because its a part of the game you don't like doesn't mean it needs to be removed. It needs to be removed because it causes new players to leave the game. In the words of The Mittani: The Mittani wrote:hisec awoxing is absolutely stupid from a business and retention perspective as it disincentivizes players from reaching out to genuine confused newbies. The dueling mechanic completely removes the 'need' for corp members to shoot one another outside of Concord enforcement.
There are far more things that cause a lot more ppl to leave the game Awoxing has never caused anyone i have know to quit the game and only very few times has it caused people to leave my alliance.
You don't need CCP to protect you this is something you can do if there is someone if your corp you don't know treat them as you would any other neutral. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:23:00 -
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Heather Tsukaya wrote:In the words of The Mittani: The Mittani wrote:hisec awoxing is absolutely stupid from a business and retention perspective as it disincentivizes players from reaching out to genuine confused newbies. The dueling mechanic completely removes the 'need' for corp members to shoot one another outside of Concord enforcement.
This is a very poor example as many things have upsides and draw backs. yes it is risky to let a new player into your corp as they could very well be an alt but any good CEO knows how to mitigate this risk. The incentive to letting a new player into your corp is that you will be a large part into how they view the game and can shape them into the pilot you need.
EvE is risk vs reward recruitment is not exempt from that. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:07:00 -
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Momiji Sakora wrote:There are lots of ways to protect yourself against the above issues in OP's post. However these are often learnt the hard way, and are incredibly damaging to the whole atmosphere of the game - don't trust anyone, etc etc.
Yes this is what drew me and many others to the game. The challenge that comes from playing against the other people and when you can't trust anyone the bonds you form with the people you do trust become that much stronger. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:28:00 -
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Momiji Sakora wrote:
+1
I do very little PvP (meaning, fleets to actively hunt), but if PvP wasn't as big of a part of this game, I wouldn't be around.
Indeed one of the best things about eve is you can't avoid PvP and still play be you competing with a small gang, a fleet of warships, other miners in a belt or against other traders on the market.
EvE is all about player interaction and confrontation if that's not the type of game you want to play then don't. Now i'm not against making the game more accessible or appealing to newer players (The more of them we have the more player interaction we have and the better the game gets) but it needs to be in a way that doesn't go against the core ideals of the game.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:00:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Banning awoxing? CCP uses it to advertise eve.
for reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.10 19:18:00 -
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Toriessian wrote:If theres any change to Wardecs I'd like a mechanic where the AGGRESSOR can set an ISK value that is publicly shown on the dec where if they (the aggressor) lose X amount in ships the war gets invalidated. It seems like a strange mechanic, but I'd like the attackers to have a carrot to offer the defender to actually undock and try to fight. Theres not enough trying to fight in HS.
-From the aggressor perspective this may get you more kills.
-From the defenders perspective this is actually a reason to bother trying. 3 noobs in omens might just move the meter even if they all die.
I'd be happy to see HS AWOXING go. I understand the freedom of the sandbox, but any mechanic that is preventing new players from grouping has gotta go IMO. When reading about war decs, the suggestion for new players is to group up and fight back. Theres a contradiction here, and I think fixing that might get us another percent or two added to the 10% of the players that actually get involved with the game past leveling up their Raven.
HS War decs keep new players from grouping up far more often that's generally the reason i get when new players leave corp to sit and mine or run missions. yet this is still a small number of people |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:06:00 -
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Toriessian wrote:
Does your corp have ships fit at your HQ ready to hand to noobs in the event of a wardec? Is the leadership of your corp capable of forming 3-4 man gangs to try and gank solo war targets? Are fleets scheduled when a dec goes out with instructions on what ship to bring? How about overviews setups? These are the things that aren't happening in new player hi sec corps.
My suggestion gives the attacker a way to give you an incentive to do that and actually fight with a defined "end war" goal for the defender. Right now the system as it is says, "If you defend yourself and win, the attacker may choose to keep you decc'd and no matter how many kills you get, you may never actually get out of the war. Pray your attacker isn't space rich."
Would it be easier for you to rally your noobs into meta-4 rail thoraxes if you know you can "win" the war because the attacker said if you undock fight and kill 200 mil it'll end? Consider that question.
Honestly its much easier to just ignore the war dec 90% of the time if you avoid there local trade hub and trade routs you never see them and when you do form up and go after them they will just doc up and wait you out then focus on there other targets |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:08:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Again with Rise's god-awful numbers. Have any of you lot considered that of the 50% quitting EVE early on, most of those may have found that EVE just isn't the game for them?
Exactly so we need to change the game to make it so it appeals at least some what to every one and is an ok game rather then making a great game for those who enjoy it
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wait |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.11 01:35:00 -
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Toriessian wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Again with Rise's god-awful numbers. Have any of you lot considered that of the 50% quitting EVE early on, most of those may have found that EVE just isn't the game for them? So 50 of the quitters gone... that leaves us with another 50 percent sticking around... and what little changes can we make to keep 3% or 4% more is a bad thing to consider?
no considering new ideas is never bad but not all of them should be implemented |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.14 17:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Heather Tsukaya wrote:baltec1 wrote:Griefing is already banned in EVE. Well surely you agree with your leader on #3 at least. no, awoxing is fine. it's neutral logi that's broken beyond belief.
no you can deal with them at least neutral boosters are a much bigger problem |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:41:00 -
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they do go suspect or at least they used to |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:47:00 -
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afkalt wrote:That being said, I've seen anything up to 6-8 logi behind a single ship, good luck breaking that chain.
just bring enough alpha or cap war or ECM and pair it with your own logi |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.15 21:06:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:no, repping someone shooting a corpmate doesn't trigger a suspect timer.
ah i thought we were talking about war decs i was confused then yes and i feel anyone repping someone with a LE timer should get LE timers with everyone the person being repped has |
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